This
interview took place in Sydney at Sakya Tharpa Ling in 1998. Khenpo
Migmar has passed on since then and the translation work he was so
keen to do is now being undertaken as a project led by His Eminence
Gyana Vajra Rinpoche. The ‘Khenpo Appey’s Institute’ that he mentions
as a possible future place for Westerners to study is now a fully
fledged reality – the International Buddhist Academy in Kathmandu
beginning courses for successful applicants in August of this year.
Khenpo Migmar Tsering gave a series of public talks in Sydney,
held a Tsok with us on Wesak day and taught on Kamalashila’s "Stages
of Meditation" for two days. In this teaching it is mentioned
that to achieve enlightenment we must collect the causes and conditions
for enlightenment and these should be correct and complete. He referred
to the Samadhi Raja Sutra which states that: even though one engages
in calm abiding meditation, without transcendental knowledge this
will not destroy the perception of ego. Though one may suppress
the self-clinging for a time it will again agitate the mind. Without
the help of discerning knowledge analysis about the selflessness
of phenomena, and the meditation on this, there is no liberation.
Penetrative insight discerns correct and incorrect states and understands
ultimate knowledge, and this becomes a cause of ultimate enlightenment.
Khenpo discussed this in respect to students of Dharma in Australia:
I have found that at different Dharma centres people have gone
through different aspects of practice mainly certain initiations
and then commitments they need to keep. I have been saying that
in order to support or strengthen these practices, whatever they
may be - vajrajayana, ngöndro or sadhana - what is needed is
some study of philosophy. Even if this study cannot be as extensive
as that of Tibetan students, a general idea about the philosophy
and some understanding of key ideas will increase the faith in the
practice. Without a proper knowledge, or understanding, when you
face difficulties there is a possibility of losing your faith. It
is possible that you may have a very good faith as a result of a
strong karmic link, but this is not the same with every person.
If your practice is not supported with a proper understanding then
some individuals may have all sorts of expectation or objectives
of that practice; then when you find that you don’t reach that objective
or that expectation then you may lose your faith. But when you study
and know more then you also know not to expect different things
in the first place. Therefore there is a need for some study. I
know in the west studying is considered as something intellectual
and people rather like to go for something ‘purely’ spiritual. But
in Buddhism the practice is to study, contemplate and meditate.
Never has there been any mention about doing meditation in the first
place before study and contemplation, so there is a need definitely
to study.
I asked Khenpo whether there were any particular areas of study
that were suitable.
Since people are most interested in meditation there are several
texts that deal with calm abiding and penetrative insight - shamatha
and vipasana - so these teachings could be of great help. Generally,
in a complete text that is dealing with a complete practice, there
is the section on the foundation: the understanding of the conventional
and the ultimate truth; and then the path section, which deals with
the different aspects of practices; and then of course the result
which tells you what sort of results you are supposed to get. It
is a good to have a general overview of this kind and then to put
the emphasis for further study on the path section.
Western students do not have much time as they have to spare time
from their working hours, so they have to study some important summary
texts. There are general texts like Bodhisatvavatara and Madhamaka
Avatara. However, if it is not possible to study long texts in their
entirety, then the important thing is to find those texts that are
connected to the practices or sadhanas that you are doing.
For instance when you do a sadhana there is the mediation on the
four immeasurables, and so you may look up some texts that explain
in detail about this. Then, as well as understanding the brief meaning,
with the help of the further explanations you will gain a deeper
understanding. In the same way when you say in a sadhana "out
of the emptiness this and this appears..." then you have to
know what emptiness is. To know what emptiness is there is need
for study about what emptiness is. Without that it may be possible
for someone to have a correct understanding of emptiness, but it
is said that if you hold an incorrect idea of emptiness then the
practices that are done on the basis of that understanding are also
wrong and there would not be the possibility of getting the proper
result from them. So without correct understanding the whole practice
is ruined. This is why it is so important to have an understanding
of emptiness in the first place in order to do your practice in
a meaningful way.
The reason I am saying this is to make it clear that by studying
Madhyamaka Avatara you are not studying something different to your
practice. Rather you are trying to know something which is part
of your practice. These studies should not be seen as separate they
are all interconnected. Even if you are doing Tara practice which
is short, there is still a need to study, because there are references
to many different things in that practice. Some things may have
to be taken from Abhidharma and some from Madhyamaka. If you want
to really improve your practice you must improve your understanding
of your practice, and to do this you must study.
I see the necessity to enhance practice in this way because several
western students have been doing their practices for a long time,
in fact longer than average Tibetan. Yet, when they look back and
check their understanding, it has not increased. Further more the
effect on their mind and their mental training as well as their
behaviour as a whole has not been beneficial. When no result comes
then something must be wrong. Without knowing the need to study
some people may be disillusioned in the practice, they may think
that this practice is not good at all. They do not realise that
they have not done the proper study and so have not had all the
necessary conditions and facilities to obtain the result. One has
to have the knowledge, the penetrative insight to support the practice.
It is not necessary to always study a complete text as a whole
as westerners, with some few exceptions, may not get enough time
to do this. It may be good to have selected study programmes related
to people’s practice.
For students who which to make Dharma study a central part of their
life it will definitely be useful to go and study at Sakya College
or at Khenpo Appey’s institute. It will hopefully be possible, in
time, to study at Sakya College. I have also been suggesting that
perhaps some western children should to learn Tibetan, go to Tibetan
schools so that then they can go and study at the college.
It would be good for some to keep up a continuity of study and
work in areas of Tibetan language and dharma studies. This can also
lead to a career in an academic context, as it has for many Americans
thus making it easier to combine work and practice. We need continuity
of application in some students. Buddhism has been here for quite
a long time, we have followers of this and that Guru and practitioners
of this or that sadhana. However by now there should be some very
grounded and solid students who could also start to teach properly.
That is very much needed. Career and practice can be brought together
and universities will develop departments of Asian studies if a
strong interest is demonstrated.
Finally Khenpo-la said:
I am happy to notice that may dharma students here are really dedicated
and have good faith and devotion. I have noticed progress since
my last visit in that the depth of faith and devotion has increased.
It is good to see that many older students are still actively participating.
At this time it is important for those students to take account
of the different aspects of Buddhist practice and to make their
own study, contemplation and meditation complete.
Along with practices it is also important for the sake to the dharma
to come together and work together to try to do some social work
to help the resident lamas, and help the committee members. It is
important to not just come to attend the teachings when visiting
lamas come but to give a hand and give support as it is needed.
If the centre is strong it will help in the propagation of the Dharma
and it will help you also. There is a need for stronger active participation
in centres.
I also asked Khenpo-la to say a little about his own life:
Khenpo was born in Tibet and escaped to India in childhood. He
did his elementary study in South India in a Tibetan school run
by the Indian government. Already at this time he showed a special
intelligence and often won essay prizes and the like. He began his
higher studies at Varanasi where he started studying philosophy
at the age of 15. He studied there for three years. His teacher
there, the late Khenpo Rinchen, used to like him very much and considered
him as a favourite student. He was with the Sakya lineage, having
only been a monk for three years. He knew that His Holiness Sakya
Trizin was the head but did not really know much about other Sakya
teachers. However, when he heard about Sakya College with Khenpo
Appey, because Khenpo had great popularity and through his karmic
link to Khenpo, he had a great urge to go and study there. Although
many of the students were keen to study there, only three students
from Varanasi were accepted as there were only seven students in
all at that time. Luckily, he was accepted on the basis of his merit.
His teacher Khenpo Rinchen was quite upset as he had wanted him
to continue to study under himself.
At Skaya College it was fairly easy for him to go through basic
philosophical studies and Khenpo Appey started appreciating his
grasp of philosophy. His ability to grasp the meaning and the concepts
was demonstrated as students had to be able to repeat back the previous
day and whenever he did the explanation it would indicated what
sort of understanding he had. During the 10 year of written examination
at Sakya College he was first for 8 years and the other two was
in second position. Khenpo Appey had a high expectation of him.
He wanted him to stay after he completed formal studies and then
take his place, but at this stage Khenpo Migmar wanted a change.
After Sakya College he trained at the Tibetan Library at Dharamsala
as translator. At that time he had the wish to become an interpreter
and translator. Then Khenpo Migmar got an appointment to teach Sakya
philosophy in Varanasi and remained there for five and a half years.
In Varanasi from worldly point of view they were teaching philosophy
and religious work as Indian government employees, and in that way
it was a very nice job that everybody would aspire too. But it was
very hot and also not many students were monks, they were lay boys
and girls. They took many different subjects and the students were
not keenly interested, they were studying to get degrees, so there
was not the inner satisfaction. So for this reason he was ready
to return to Sakya College when His Holiness and Khenpo Appey asked
him to return to Sakya College as Abott which he did early in 1989.
In 1990 he was enthroned as the proper Khenpo and Abott of Sakya
college. In the beginning he was giving two classes in addition
to the administration work. Now the number of students has increased
and that has increased the administrative work so he has to spend
quite a lot of time on that. Now he can only teach one class and
the others are run by colleagues including another Khenpo who was
guest teacher for two years. The rest of the time he takes care
of correspondence, as the College cannot afford to hire very efficient
assistants so most of the work rests on the leader as in most Tibetan
institutions. He also deals with Indian officials and raises funds
generally and sponsorship for students and sees to it that students
write to sponsors. Most importantly, he also takes care of the discipline
for the young monks. In these degenerate times they face many more
obstacles and that is a big responsibility. This work will go on
for some time, until Khenpo Appey and His Holiness have another
job for him or he feels a need to do something else. It is his personal
wish is to translate major Sakya works as not many Sakya texts have
been translated. This requires a full time commitment for the work
and for raising funds for it, which he could do if relieved of his
present big responsibility.
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